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KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Carryduff

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Hi,as my previous post indicated I am more or less resigned to not being able to use the usb midi on my old KN2600 keyboard but would be interested in getting the Roland usb midi interface. I really only use midi to transfer data from my PC to the keyboard and vice versa and would like to know how to do this with the Roland setup instead of the Technics song manager, also if anyone can tell me if the Roland will work with the new windows 10. Thanks in advance for any help.

Posted on August 12, 2015 at 8:42 PM
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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Hi Carryduff,

It's bad news I'm afraid. You can't transfer files via a MIDI interface. So the Roland midi interface is only useful for playing or recording midi.

Theoretically, you can send and receive other 'system exclusive' commands but knowledge is scanty on the subject. At least, mine is. It's an area I've done some research in for the older KN keyboards and still in its infancy for me. I haven't found many other people discussing it on the Internet with reference to Technics boards either.

I haven't been able to make Technics Song Manager work on any versions of windows beyond XP and I keep an XP laptop for that purpose (and for other XP specific software I use such as CAD programs). That said, I very rarely use Song Manager, in fact I've only used it in the last few years when people have asked me questions about it.

I have a programmer looking at ways to intercept the data from Song Manager (on Windows 8) and send it to a Windows 8 USB port but we don't have any useful results so far.

When I upgrade to Windows 10 I'll be posting as much info as I can about that but it won't be for a while because I don't have the spare time for testing before I upgrade in the near future.

Are you having problems with SD Card transfer? It is 100 times faster than using Song Manager and can achieve everything that Song Manager can.

Is USB Audio working for you on Windows 10?

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on August 12, 2015 at 9:06 PM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Correction - I haven't been able to get Technics Song Manager to work via USB on any versions of windows beyond XP. Works fine on my SD Cards with Windows 8.1 64 bit.

Posted on August 12, 2015 at 9:09 PM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Hello,

May I join this interesting thread?

Carryduff, I use a pair of 2600s and am shifting midi data around between my computer and the boards all the time. I have found the 2600 to be a particularly good machine for this. The interface I use, and have found to be pretty much bullet-proof, is the Alesis USB to Midi cable. With a USB at one end and a pair of Midi IN/OUT din plugs on the other, it hardly needs any instructions and just plugs in and works.

Technics Song Manager is of little use to me having tried it once and I now favour a decent PC based Midi Event & Sysex Editor instead. I use PG Music's Power Tracks, plus GNMIDI for inserting chords into the lyrics, and the KN7000 SDExplorer for moving KN Files around. I can have lyrics & chords synchronised on screen and select, via a small tweak to the System Exclusive messaging, and by entering a program number and its bank, (those strange numbers that appear above the patch names in Sound Explorer), KN voices as an alternative to General Midi - and all done via an old laptop running XP that has both automatic updates and internet access disabled.

I have another PC running Windows 7 64 bit and everything works on that too, but my preference is to work with kit that was around at the time the 2600s were built, and, as eluded to by Mike, it just works better - hence the preference for an elderly laptop that just refuses to die! (Even if it did they are not hard to get hold of and for not much money). Modern operating systems simply have too much else going on that while relevant to the here and now, just present too may incompatibility issues for older bits of kit like a KN2600.

Having said all this my midi data usage is, admittedly, mainly Sequencer based. If you are Midi-Dumping, or working with APC-to-Midi then slightly different protocols apply, but the principle is much the same. In your original post you said "I really only use midi to transfer data from my PC to the keyboard and vice versa and would like to know how to do this with the Roland setup instead of the Technics song manager"

If you can let me know exactly what data you are moving around then I believe I can help as it's likely I have been there already, having sat in a cupboard with a towel round my head figuring it all out. wink

Regards
Bob

Posted on December 13, 2015 at 10:52 AM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Hi Bob,

I'm really enthused by your post because I am hoping to work with a developer to make some Technics keyboards software to facilitate moving data via USB. I mostly have in mind the older keyboards such as K700 as they don't have any floppy drives but I hope to get it working for all models. As you have done so much work on this I'll be in touch with you about it at some point, I'm unfortunately extremely busy in work right now.

Have you used the Falcosoft Midiplayer? I think you'll be very interested in it. It has NX Sound support so it understands all the extended instruments on KN2600. With it, for example, you can play MIDI from PC to your KN2600 and change your sounds using the keyboard. The midiplayer supports bi-directional communication. This means that when you change the sounds on the keyboard, they are changed in midiplayer. You can then right-click on the track in midiplayer and save it as a midi file with a Technics NX header. So, the midi file now has your NX sounds stored in it and can be loaded onto your keyboard. This saves a lot of time.

John and I are also working on an 'Extended Reference Guide' that relates all of the Technics Sounds to one-another, whether they are NX or not. This will make for more easy translation between different models. No mean feat because each keyboard has different Sounds and Tones onboard.

I'll stop there for now but will be interested to hear from you on anything related to this and I'll get in touch when time allows.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on December 13, 2015 at 3:44 PM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Greetings Mike,

Thought I'd pay the old forum a visit after a while busy on many other things, looked at this old thread and gulped hard. I think we may have been waiting for each other to do something, and given up?! I'm really sorry, I don't usually take nearly four years to reply on a thread. Anyway, I blame Brexit.

Do you want/need to breathe life back into this topic? If so let me know.

Have retired from gigging now, other priorities, but I still have my matching pair of 2600s and a 65 for fun, along with a number of older boards up in the loft....somewhere!

Regards
Bob

Posted on July 20, 2019 at 11:16 AM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

Hi Bob,

Great to see you here!

Oh dear, did we cause Brexit by our woeful neglect of international music standards? Can't be, it hasn't happened yet.

But seriously, don't worry about it. I know exactly what it's like juggling work with other things.

Yes it would be great if you look into it more. The Falcosoft midiplayer is still going strong and has NX support (and sysex):

http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html...

I'll join in further when I can smiling

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on July 20, 2019 at 1:37 PM

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Re: KN2600 and Roland USB midi interface

That's a thumbs up then Mike ~ and just to acknowledge your reply. I'll look some more in Falco....I can see you are busy, me too I have the Memsahib working through a list, painting the gable and fascia boards (the ones I can reach that is) while the weather is good-ish at present. Not the "Front of House Management" I am used to!

I'll play with Falco again, dig out my Sysex & RPN notes on the experimentation I did a while back involving intercepting real-time & .SYS messages from each KN I have by recording them on to external software - found it quicker than looking them up in the book LOL.

Until later,

Kind regards
Bob

PS If I can, I will happily try to beta-test anything you have that's at the pre-release stage?

Posted on July 20, 2019 at 5:47 PM