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Easy Composer

Fred

Fred
Canada

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Joined: October 9, 2014

Hello,
I am wondering if there is a way to load an already existing style from Memory A / B or C into Easy Composer - and then to change just one PART (accomp 1 or drums pattern etc.) or the STYLE (8Beat to Dance Pop) or change only the VARI to a different number, and then save the modified pattern back into the style memories ABC, without losing the whole rest of the song pattern.
The Easy Composer save feature seems to work only in one direction - or do I miss something here?
It would be fantastic to be able to change just one part on an existing style (like Drums, Bass, or Accomp 1-5) as they do correspond with the "memory slots" for the different instruments.
I wish I could explain it better, sorry.
The other thing is when I create a new pattern in Easy Composer and then after it has been saved in Memory ABC, the initial setup disappears in Easy Composer. So I have to make notes on how the style was composed by writing down the numbers that were used to create it. I hope there's somebody out there who knows a trick to get around that one-way street.

Cheers
Fred

Posted on November 18, 2014 at 6:07 AM
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admin

admin
United Kingdom

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Joined: February 2, 2014

Re: Easy Composer

Hi Fred, I've never tried the Easy Composer feature so I can't help you out yet. I'll give it a go in the next few days though and see if I can fingure it out. In the meantime hopefully someone here can help you. Talk soon, Mike

Posted on November 18, 2014 at 11:52 PM

mel

mel
United Kingdom

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Re: Easy Composer

Hi Fred. I'm not going to help much but I fully sympathise with your problem. I also had to write down on a piece of paper every variation for every part because there didn't seem to be another way to remember the easy composer. As for reversing the process I'm afraid I have no idea but would be surprised if it's possible....however well done for raising the issue and I'll be very interested if Mike does have the solution

Posted on December 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM

admin

admin
United Kingdom

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Joined: February 2, 2014

Re: Easy Composer

Hi Guys,

I've had a look at Easy Composer tonight, I hadn't used it before. I don't have a way to do exactly what you were asking but I have a workflow for you which I think is just as good, if not better.

As usual, I'm not going to describe every step in detail so you'll need to refer to the manual on occasion but I'll talk through the things that don't seem obvious to me and then if you need more detail we can go into it in greater depth.

First, use Easy Composer to construct the new Composer you want.

Now, let's say you have your Composer and in a couple of days (or minutes!) you decide you want to change it. Save it to SD Card first so that you can go back if you need to. I'm going to assume that you're only working on one Composer, in Bank A for now.

Go to Program Menus > Composer > Pattern Copy and copy your Composer A into Composer B & C. This isn't strictly necessary but it will enable you to test things and go back a step if you get them wrong.

Now back out of everything, to your Home Page, and then test that Composer A, B and C are all playing the same thing.

Select Composer A and then Program Menus > Composer > Pattern Copy. When you're in Pattern Copy, go to Page 2.

Hopefully all should be clear to you when you see this page. You can copy any Part of any Variation of any Rhythm (including Composer B & C) into any Part of any Variation of Composer A.

Because we backed out of everything earlier and selected Composer A, it is defaulting to copying Memory A (Composer A) into itself. So you don't need to remember much about what Parts you used in Easy Composer earlier.

Whilst you're in Page 2, press Start and play a chord (with APC on of course). You'll hear Composer A play the selected variation. Whilst it is playing you'll be able to try out different Part substitutions until you are satisfied.

If you make any mistakes, you can always copy the Parts in any of the Variations of Composer B & C back into Composer A to return to the original. This is why we copied Composer A into B & C earlier, in case we mess up Composer A whilst we're experimenting.

This will all become much more clear when you're actually trying it out than reading it here!

If you're doing something more sophisticated, such as working on three Composers at the same time you'll have to save your work regularly so that you can step back if necessary. There's also the option to load a single Composer from SD Card if you need to, if you're working on something more complex.

I hope that helps, I'm guessing that you've never looked at Page 2 of the Pattern Copy function before and that this will meet your needs. Let us know how you get on.

Also find attached to this post an "Easy Composer Worksheet" that you can print out to help you keep track of things. I'll be making other similar Worksheets for other features of the keyboards in due course.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on December 21, 2014 at 3:22 AM

Organgrinder

Organgrinder
United Kingdom

Total Posts: 18
Joined: September 7, 2014

Re: Easy Composer

Hi there,
It is possible to copy any part of any variation to any other part of another variation in the composer (don't know about easy composer though as I've never used it - the ordinary composer is perfectly easy to work with without using easy mode)
Can't explain in greater detail until I have time to go on the keyboard but open the composer - then Pattern copy to copy the pattern FROM into Composer A and Pattern TO into composer B.
Setup what you want to do on page 1 and then press the PAGE button to go to page 2.
by choosing the part in the FROM section and the Part in the TO section, you can alter any ACCOMP in either section to suit, choosing COPY, DELETE or CLEAR.
Then just press OK and you will hear the result.
Don't forget to save the new pattern to your SD Card or a Floppy Disk.#
All the best to all admin and members for the New Year.
Tony

Posted on December 26, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Organgrinder

Organgrinder
United Kingdom

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Re: Easy Composer

Sorry Mike,
I didn't trawl to the bottom so I have more or less repeated what you have said - my apologies.
Tony

Posted on December 26, 2014 at 11:12 AM

admin

admin
United Kingdom

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Re: Easy Composer

Hey Tony, the more the merrier grin

What I really like about the feature is that we can add different intros and endings to the patterns. The built-in Intros and Endings are great but each one is only good for one song in front of the same audience! And sometimes they are just too long.

When playing older KN keyboards I would often trigger a fill-in to use for an ending. It doesn't work very well on KN7000 because the K7 truncates the bass part as soon as you hit stop. But it is easy to convert a fill-in into a short ending using the Composer.

Good to hear from you.

Posted on December 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Anonymous

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Re: Easy Composer

Very true Mike,
I often substitute new intros/endings myself and make changes to every style to fit one particular song.
Very easy thing to do on Technics boards - wish I could manage to do the same on my Tyros 4.
Technics were light years in front of ALL the opposition (and, in many ways, still are) and what wouldn't I give for a KN 8000
Tony

Posted on December 26, 2014 at 5:22 PM