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How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

hathersage

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Hi, I have posted this before and in the .UK site as well but they were in a replies to messages from Mike and may have been missed by most readers of the forums. I am struggling trying to get my AR organ lower manual to send messages to the auto accompaniment of the KN7000, Midi is a bit of a closed book these days I haven't had to do this for many years ! I would be very grateful for any detail on what to switch on or off and which channels to use, what I have tried to date just sends the keyboard into a sulk and I have to reinitialize it each time !
I have studied the manual pages 190 onwards to 194 but what I really need is a tiny tot's step by step process.

If anyone out there has got the same sort of set up I would love to hear from them.

Posted on January 18, 2015 at 2:09 PM
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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

I think you said that the organ is sending the upper manual on channel 1, lower manual on channel 2 and bass pedals on channel 3, is that correct? Do you want to play all of these on KN7000 or just the left hand part?

Posted on January 18, 2015 at 2:19 PM

hathersage

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

I think I have stumbled on at least part of the solution ( other than myself!) I have been working in the wrong section of the midi instructions, in Program Menus/ Midi / Part Setting if I change the Chord from Off to channel 2 the keyboard does receive the organ's lower manual signals and I can play the organ and change the keyboard's auto chords
This more or less gives me what I want, unfortunately the right 2 voice also plays on the same channel so unless I individually mute this it can be obtrusive, but this I can get along with.
One question however is can this part setting be saved because each time I change the chord goes back to off, I could not find a mention of this in this section but I am sure it is possible.

Posted on January 19, 2015 at 3:58 PM

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

You have a couple of options. For now why don't you set your Right 2 on KN7000 to a different MIDI channel. Then it won't sound when you play a chord. Now that you've figured out the basis of things I can help you in detail (later tonight).

For saving MIDI settings you need to go to page 2 of the Save screen. Refer to Page 132 of your manual. MIDI settings don't save by default, they are optional when saving. On page 2 you can specify what saves and what doesn't.

Posted on January 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

Hi Hathersage,

I've taken a look at the MIDI section of the AR100 manual and I've checked into some of the KN7000s settings.

On he KN7000, go to the MIDI Presets. Page 1 is for use when the KN7000 is a slave.

Press "WITH APC" and the menu will change. Use the Organ 1 setting. Press OK.

This should set the KN7000 up correctly for you. If you use the bass pedals on your organ then you can change the bass sounds on KN7000 using the mixer. Let me know if you need help with this.

Now go back to the MIDI presets and on Page 4 you can save your setup. When you need to recall it, use Page 3 of the MIDI presets.

You also need to save the settings to SD Card as I described in my previous post

If you need help with any of the above just reply to this forum post. I have an organ here that I can set up to replicate your setup so that I can test during the next few days if necessary.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on January 22, 2015 at 2:48 AM

hathersage

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

Thanks Mike, I am very grateful your help is much appreciated, now it works ! Only a minor point but it is part of my trying to understand how the keyboard ticks, I have one query, the pad volumes seem very high to me, I have reduced them in the volume settings on the Mode page, but if I play with the bottom red music style arranger enabled I get progression of the variation with fills as normal, but having set the pad volumes a bit lower before starting when I click on a fill the volume of the pads go back to maximum. Is there any way these can be set so they do not alter, or do they have to be saved for each individual style.

If I play with this button disabled I get everything working OK, Intro, fills and endings but no auto progression of the variations up or down, by manually changing the variation or fills the volume of the pads stays the same, this I am quite happy with if it can't be changed. . Would I be right in thinking that if using Music Styles you cannot access the volume controls in the mode page so you have to accept the individual pad settings as they are, usually lower than the maximum anyway., I think this also applies to One touch play. Regards Ken

Posted on January 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

Ken,

That is great I'm so pleased it is working. Don't leave it at that, we can develop your setup further if it is not working exactly as you want.

You should now investigate Page 185 of the manual which will help you to decide how to load MIDI setting when you are working with new styles and other Technics Song files.

You are largely correct about the Music Style Arranger, One Touch Play and Performance Pads volume but there are some things you can do to help.

When you use MSA, it sets up all the volumes and other settings as the programmers believed to be a good setting for the Style. They are pretty good and I think the settings they have chosen really help us to learn how to set up the keyboard nicely.

As you say, when you switch from one MSA to another it resets the volumes. However, there are three modes of MSA. To access them you press and hold the MSA button.

The first mode will progress the only Rhythm Variation when you use a fill. The second mode will also change your volumes and Sounds (such as Right 1, Right 2 and Left) as pre-set by the programmer. The third Mode will progress your first four Panel Memories when you use the fills. This third mode allows you to save whatever you like in the Panel Memories, including the Performance Pads volume. It requires you to save the Panel Memories that you want before you start playing.

So, I agree, it is not very convenient to us the MSA in the default setting (Sound and Rhythm) if you disagree with the programmer's volume settings! However, you do have the Panel Memory option, so that you can save the settings you like and it is then a matter of a few seconds to save that onto your SD Card. So, I'm sure you have a favourite repertoire... take a little time to set things up for your favourite songs an save them to SD Card.

THEN, you can start to leverage the Favourites button, over on the right hand side of your keyboard, to recall your Favourite Songs from SD Card very quickly indeed. We can look into that further if you like. I think I didn't even press the Favourites button for the first two years I owned the KN7000!

I am intrigued to know whether the AR100 is triggering Start/Stop and Fills on your KN7000? If it is not, I'm fairly sure that is something we can implement.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on January 22, 2015 at 7:51 PM

hathersage

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

Thanks again Mike, I think I will leave the saving method for a while until I have really fully grasped it , and perhaps go a little slower, I did try to save to the SD card but made a quite a mess of it. However I am pleased to tell you that having set the Technics up and without saving anything when I switch off and then re-start the split point remains where I left it and the Midi Part Select page 1 Chord which always came up as off now show as Channel 2 which is where I set it, so apart from the high Pad volumes all seems to be just as I want it which is fabulous !. I will live with the high pad volumes for a while of keep the MSA button off !

The organ is also behaving itself, it does trigger the auto intro and chord changes, but not endings or fills, but I have an FC2 foot controller which I used with the SMAC 1200 I have programmed it for fill 1 & 2 and Ending 1 & 2 which covers most of what I am capable of wanting to do. When playing using the organ voices and the KN styles there is no need for pedals so the foot switch just sits in easy reach and is easy to operate. warmest regards Ken

Posted on January 23, 2015 at 11:21 AM

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Re: How do you midi a Kn7000 to a Yamaha AR100 organ

Good plan Ken, I think you've achieved a good balance there.

The MIDI settings should 'stick' unless you load something that overwrites them.

Some Memories revert to their initialised settings after about a week if the keyboard is off for that length of time. Refer to Page 198 of the manual for more info about that.

Glad to have helped.

Posted on January 23, 2015 at 11:36 AM