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Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Malcolm

Malcolm
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Can I load SMF files direct from my computer without using an SD Card or Floppy Disk? Can I do this with a USB connection? Can I then save them onto the KN7000 keyboard?

Posted on March 31, 2015 at 3:39 PM
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admin

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Hi Malcolm,

You can do this using the Technics Song Manager software that comes with the keyboard. It is also available to download in the Members Area. However, as far as I can work out the USB transmission will only work on Windows 98 and possibly Windows XP. Also, transmission is extremely slow.

You can also play a MIDI file on your PC and record it using your onboard sequencer. You won't get such good results.

I'm not sure why you would do either of the above though, floppy disk is much quicker and SD Card is the fastest way.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on March 31, 2015 at 6:05 PM

Malcolm

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

I actually have a Tyros but our local community centre for the over fifties which I support has been donated a KN7000. That's why I'm keen to "get to grips" with it instead of lugging my Tyros each time to the centre. Anyway, with ref to the thread, silly me! I misread the instructions and got confused with the SD lid and the keyboard lid. I can now use the SD card to save the KN7000 registrations and also to transfer the midi files I have recorded on the Tyros. The next problem is that I have put lyrics to my recordings which work quite well on the Tyros. They also work on the KN7000 except that if I mute the sounds of the Song I can't get the "live" Rhythm to work when I play the song although I can use the right hand voices. This is something I do on the Tyros; I mute the Song completely and play live to the lyrics which come up on the display. How can I do this with the KN7000? With the keyboard linked up to a large screen I want to play sing-alongs at the community centre without the need for song sheets.

Posted on April 11, 2015 at 10:26 AM

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Hi Malcolm,

I think I'm missing something here. Can't you just 'unmute' the drums track? or is there no drums track?

Regards,
Mike

Posted on April 11, 2015 at 12:48 PM

Malcolm

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Still can't get this to work. I can play the melody with a different instrument on top of the smf song melody but I can't play the rhythm on top of the smf song rhythm. The idea is to turn the volume of the smf song to zero, show the lyrics and for me to play "live" the rhythm and the melody following the lyrics only. This way I can change the melody instruments ad lib. It looks as if this isn't possible on the KN7000. One may think what is the point in playing an smf if you turn the volume down. The reason is that I want to start the smf so I can see the lyrics which video out onto a TV screen. Then I want to play the melody and backing live. I don't want to "mime" the backing.

Posted on April 18, 2015 at 9:11 PM

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

I think I understand what's happening. You are playing the MIDI file using Direct Play?

You need to Load the MIDI file into the Sequencer and save it as a Technics sequence. Then you can record the Rhythm starting at the same moment as the sequence starts and mute the background tracks. Then you will be able to have the lyrics play back in time with the music and trigger your normal fills etc whilst you are playing along.

I guess you might need some help with this so let me know how you get on, I don't have time to write the whole procedure tonight. Maybe you can email me one of your files and I'll put it into a sequence so that we can see whether it works for you.

Posted on April 18, 2015 at 9:27 PM

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Hi Malcolm,

You sent me a MIDI of you playing onthe Tyros (nice) and I've sent you back a Technics Sequence and Current Panel file.

It will still need a bit of playing with.

I Loaded the MIDI file off a floppy disk.

Copied Tracks 1 and 3 to Tracks 16 and 15, Just in case I wanted them later.

Cleared Tracks 1 and 3, so that you'll be able to choose your right and left sounds as normal without them being played by the sequencer.

I then made a new Track 7. I assigned the Rhythm to that Track (RHY) and I did a step record. In the step record, on the first beat of the first measure I selected "Stride Piano" Rhythm because that suits the song and then I pressed the Start Button (to record the Rhythm being started).

I then muted all tracks except for my track 7. All track 7 does is set the Rhythm to Stride Piano and starts the Rhythm playing.

This didn't play back the Lyrics, so I unmuted Track 8 (which doesn't seem to have anything on it, might be the Lyrics I didn't check). With Tracks 7 and 8 on, the Lyrics play back and you only hear whatever you're playing on the Technics.

So you can now use the built-in Rhythm triggering fills etc when you want and using the auto accompaniment (if you want). I added and Intro but you can easily turn that off.

Sounds complicated maybe but it only took 2 or 3 minutes, you'll soon get used to it.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on April 19, 2015 at 3:28 PM

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Hi Malcolm,

I'm responding to you in the forums, click the link at the end of the email to respond thanks.

Pasted email:

Hi Mike

Many thanks for the 02BLUEBI files. They work a treat so now I can start the lyrics and play my own accomp and melody. The problem is that when I try to do this myself I get stuck on assigning the Rhythm to Track 7. I can copy and paste tracks and mute tracks but for some reason I can't assign the Rhythm to Track 7. What am I doing wrong?

I load up the original SMF file as GM2>NX and then I get the Play Sequencer. I the press the Menus button and select Sequencer. I press the Copy & Paste button and use Track Copy to copy 1 & 3 to 16 &15 then go back into Play Sequencer to mute all except for 8 (lyrics). Next I go to Menus again and into Sequencer, Record & Edit and Step Record. I choose Track 7, select Movie & Show, Stride Piano on the Keyboard and press Synchro & Break (Start won't light up!). I then press Exit to get back to Step Record. I then press a starting chord. A * appears at the beginning of measure one but I don't see any sign of a Rhythm being selected. All I see are the notes I pressed.in Measure 1. I press play Sequencer and start the song but I although the lyrics work there is no rhythm at all.

What am I doing wrong?

Regards

Malcolm

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In the sequencer go to TRACK ASSIGN - Page 95 in the KN7000 User Manual - You have to assign the Rhythm to Track 7 (or any empty Track). Then you Step Edit that Track. Select the Stride Piano style. If you don't hear a beep and see an asterisk then you will have to select a different Rhythm and then re-sepect Stride Piano. Then, press the Start button. This 'records' you pressing the Start Button. Synchro won't work.

Now, when you press Start (to start the sequencer, with Track 7 on of course) the only thing that is recorded is the change to Stride Piano and the press of the Start Button, so the Rhythm starts. You can select an Intro if you like before pressing Start and you can trigger fills etc as you go along.

The only remaining thing to add is that I didn't play to the end. If you want an ending you'll have to ensure that the song is long enough (it's easy to add blank bars at the end).

And optionally, you could copy and paste all of your tracks from bar X to bar Y if you want to extend it to repeat any choruses and verses. Copy and Paste is described in the manual, you can choose to copy and paste individual tracks but you will just want to select ALL Tracks.

It's pretty rare that you can't get the keyboard to do what you want one way or another.... Amongst many other things I'm busy working on some nice sax articulations that are similar to the Tyros articulations. A bit challenging, I might release them on the site if I get them good enough.

Let us know how you get on.

Cheers,
Mike

Posted on April 21, 2015 at 7:06 PM

Malcolm

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Re: Loading SMF files direct from a computer

Hi Mike

BINGO. JOB DONE. Now I can convert all my Tyros songs/lyrics to work on the KN7000 which is going to keep me busy for a while.

The problem I had was when I tried to assign Rhythm to Track 7, I only went up to Part 8 or Part 9 because I thought I was selecting the wrong thing. I thought the numbers only went to 16. I didn't realise that there were other selections after Part 16. Silly me again. Still I will be celebrating my 70th birthday this year. That's the only excuse I've got. When I retired I decided to buy a keyboard and learn how to play ... to keep me from getting bored through my retirement. I now do charity gigs for the elderly. Hence "White Cliffs Of Dover" etc.
As I've said before, you are a genius. You have just made a lot of 70 and 80-year-olds happy at my local community centre... well they will be the next time I do a sing-along for them. They find it easier to follow the lyrics on a big screen rather than read of printer paper. .. some are a little visual impaired. AND it saves me lugging my Tyros to the centre because I can use their Technics KN7000 now.

Best of luck with the sax articulation. Looking forward to it.

Regards
Malcolm

Posted on April 21, 2015 at 9:23 PM