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Midiing two keyboards up together

RMepstead

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I've just purchased a Korg Liverpool which as you may gather from it's name has many many style files for The Beatles hits in it's system. I want to midi it to my KN7000 so that I play the Kn7000 but it uses the Korg Liverpool styles as its slave.
Is this very straightforward or highly complicated?

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Posted on April 27, 2016 at 5:14 PM
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jd5live

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Re: Midiing two keyboards up together

Hi Roger, looks a very interesting add on I take it that you want to set the KN7 up to send clock data and also Left Hand note data to trigger the acc. on the Korg , can you send me a copy of the Midi spec of the Korg I don't think there is going too much of a problem as the midi output of the KN is very comprehensive but not the easiest to get your head around.
Regards John.

Posted on April 28, 2016 at 1:42 PM

RMepstead

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Re: Midiing two keyboards up together

Thought this might peek your interest John thanks. Yes I want to play the KN7000 but have it read everything from the Korg Liverpool. Korg midi set up is as follows:
MIDI SETUP
You can play Liverpool with an external controller, and
use it simply as a gorgeous sound generator. To help
you configure the MIDI channels, we have provided a
set of MIDI Setups. Go to Global mode to select the one
that fits your MIDI needs. (See “Page 4 - MIDI Setup”
on page 127 for more information).
We recommend you to consider each MIDI Setup as a
starting point you can freely tweak. Once you have
selected the most appropriate MIDI Setup for the connection
to be made, you can modify the parameters as
necessary and save the Global in the memory with the
Write function (see “The Write window” on page 126).
CONNECTING LIVERPOOL TO A MASTER
KEYBOARD
You can control the Liverpool with a master keyboard
or any other MIDI keyboard. You only need to connect
the MIDI OUT connector of the master keyboard to the
MIDI IN connector of the Liverpool. The master keyboard
will become the integrated keyboard of the Liverpool
if it transmits over the same channel
programmed as Global in the Liverpool.
If the master keyboard transmits over the Global channel
of the Liverpool, the split point and the status of the
KEYBOARD MODE section in the control panel will
affect the notes received from the master keyboard.
Connections and settings
To connect the master keyboard to the Liverpool follow
this procedure:
1. Connect the MIDI OUT connector of the master
keyboard to the MIDI IN connector of the Liverpool.
2. Program the master keyboard to transmit over the
Global channel of the Liverpool (see “Page 6 -
MIDI IN Channels” on page 128).
For information on the master keyboard programming,
see the user’s manual of the master keyboard.
3. Press GLOBAL to enter the Global mode, then go
to “Page 4 - MIDI Setup” (see page 127).
4. Select the Master Keyboard Setup.
Note: The settings can change when new data is loaded
from a card. To protect the settings from loading, use the
Global Protect function (see “Global Protect” on
page 143).
5. Press WRITE, select Global, and press ENTER to
save the Global. The “Are you sure?” message will
appear. Press ENTER to confirm, or EXIT to abort.
6. Press one of the buttons in the MODE section to go
to the desired operative mode.

Posted on April 28, 2016 at 2:58 PM

RMepstead

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Bit more info Re: Midiing two keyboards up together

PAGE 4 - MIDI SETUP
MIDI channels can be automatically configured by
selecting a MIDI Setup. Each of them assigns the best
values to various MIDI parameters, to allow an easier
connection with a particular MIDI controller.
Scale Tone
Transpose generator
Scale
Tone
Transpose generator
128 Global edit environment
Page 5 - MIDI Controls
Note: After selecting a MIDI Setup, you can apply any
changes to each channel’s settings. To store the changes in
memory, press WRITE and save the Global in memory.
See “MIDI” on page 35 for more information on using
the MIDI Setups.
Default This a default setting. It is suitable both for
programming on an external sequencer,
and for playing Liverpool with a master
keyboard.
Master Kbd Select this setting when you are connecting
a mute master keyboard.
Sequencer 1 This setting is for playing a Song
(Sequencer 1) with an external instrument
sounds, or for listening to a Song performed
by an external sequencer using
Liverpool as a sound generator. Each track
(S1 Tr1–16) corresponds to a MIDI channel
with the same number (1–16).
Sequencer 2 As above, but with Sequencer 2.
Accordion 1…3
Select one of these settings when connecting
a MIDI Accordion.
Ext.Seq This setting is for programming a Song on
an external sequencer.
PAGE 5 - MIDI CONTROLS
This page lets you program general MIDI parameters.
Local
The Local parameter turns the keyboard on or off.
Note: The Local parameter is always turned on again each
time you turn the instrument on.
On When you play on the keyboard, MIDI
data is sent to the internal sound generator
and to the MIDI OUT port.
Off The keyboard is connected to the MIDI
OUT, but cannot play the internal sound
generator.
This is very useful when working with an
external sequencer, to send notes and controllers
from the keyboard to the external
sequencer, and then let the sequencer send
them back to the sound generator, without
overlapping. See the MIDI chapter.
Clock
This parameter selects the MIDI Clock source.
Note: The Clock parameter is always set to “Int” each time
you turn the instrument on.
Internal Internal, i.e. the clock generated by the
Liverpool Sequencer 1 internal metronome.
MIDI External from MIDI. The Liverpool is
slaved to an external instrument or
sequencer, connected to its MIDI IN port.
The Start/Stop and Play/Stop commands,
and the metronome Tempo, cannot be
selected from the control panel of the Liverpool.
Use the external instrument to set
the Tempo, and start or stop the sequencers
(Song, Song Play, Backing Sequence
modes) and the arranger (Style and Backing
Sequence modes).
Clock Send
This parameter turns the clock information on the
MIDI OUT on or off.
Off The Liverpool cannot send the MIDI
Clock signal. You cannot slave another
instrument to the Liverpool, even when
connected to the MIDI OUT.
MIDI The Liverpool can send the MIDI Clock
signal. You can slave another instrument
to the Liverpool Tempo, Start/Stop and
Play/Stop commands. Connect the other
instrument to the Liverpool MIDI OUT
port.
PAGE 6 - MIDI IN CHANNELS
In this page, you can assign the Liverpool tracks to any
of the MIDI IN channels. Use the TRACK SELECT button
to switch from channels 1–8 to channels 9–16.
Channel
You can assign to each channel one of the following
tracks:
(Off) No track assigned.
Lower Lower track.
Upper1…3 One of the Upper tracks.
Drum Drum track.
Perc Percussion track.
Bass Bass track.
Acc1…5 One of the Auto-accompaniment tracks.
S1 T1…16 One of Sequencer 1 tracks.
S2 T1…16 One of Sequencer 2 tracks.
Global Special channel to simulate the Liverpool’s
integrated controls (keyboard, pedals, joystick)
with an external keyboard or controller.
MIDI messages coming on this
Global edit environment 129
Page 7 - MIDI IN Controls (1)
channel are considered as being generated
by Liverpool’s integrated controllers.
Control On this special channel, the Liverpool
receives MIDI messages to remotely select
Styles, Performances, STS and Style Elements.
See tables on page 146 and following
for more information on the received
data
PAGE 7 - MIDI IN CONTROLS (1)
This page is where you can program the Chord Recognition
channels for the internal arranger, and a fixed
velocity value for all notes appearing at the input.
There are two separate Chord channels. This is very
useful when you must send chords to Liverpool on two
channels (like with some MIDI Accordions).
Chord1 channel
Notes entering this channel are sent to the Chord Recognition
engine.
Chord2 channel
Notes entering this channel are sent to the Chord Recognition
engine.
Velocity Input
Use this parameter to set a fixed velocity (dynamics)
value for all MIDI notes entering. This is useful when
playing the Liverpool with an organ or a MIDI Accordion.
Normal Normal velocity values are received.
40…127 All received velocity values are converted
to the selected value.
PAGE 8 - MIDI IN CONTROLS (2)
This is another page containing various MIDI IN settings,
like note transposition for the Realtime tracks.
The transpose parameters are useful to many MIDI
accordion players, whose MIDI interface may transmit
on an unexpected octave.
UppOct (Upper Octave)
Octave transposition of data received on the MIDI IN
for the Upper tracks. For example, if you select the +1
value, a received C4 will play a C5 on the Liverpool.
LowOct (Lower Octave)
Octave transposition of data received on the MIDI IN
for the Lower track. For example, if you select the +1
value, a received C4 will play a C5 on the Liverpool.
OctIn (Octave In)
Enables/disables the octave transposition of data
received via MIDI.
On Data received via MIDI can be transposed,
according to the selected Octave Transposition.
For example, if the Octave Transposition
is +1, a received C4 will actually
play a C5.
Off Data received via MIDI can’t be transposed
by the Octave Transposition
applied to the track. For example, if the
Octave Transposition is +1, a received C4
will still play a C4.
Mute In
Use this parameter to determine if a muted track can
still play data received via MIDI.
On No data received via MIDI on a muted
track can be played by Liverpool.
Off Data received via MIDI on a muted track
can still play on the Liverpool.

Posted on April 28, 2016 at 7:09 PM

admin

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Re: Midiing two keyboards up together

Hi Guys,

I'll join in with this thread as soon as I can get some spare time to do a bit of experimentation. I'm just on the tail end of a large project in work so will be back in the swing of things soon I hope!

That looks like a great little keyboard Roger!

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on May 2, 2016 at 5:47 PM

RMepstead

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Re: Midiing two keyboards up together

Yes - the Korg Liverpool is one of the Korg 'microarrangers' with the key size somewhat smaller than normal but not impossible to play on for a grown up.
I do find the whole business of linking slave and master keyboards to one another a reader's nightmare instruction wise.
This 'Liverpool' keyboard has approaching 100 Beatles specific rhythms in it that must have cost Korg a small fortune to get permission to produce; and it would be great to be able to download them as .sty files and convert them for use in the KN7000, but for the life of me I can't work out how to do that either so midiing becomes the next option.

Posted on May 2, 2016 at 6:42 PM