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unexpected exra sound.

hathersage

hathersage
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Hallo Mike, I am still working on my merger of using the KN 7000 accompaniments with the Orla organ which is going quite well, most things have been sorted but I have come up against a strange phenomenon .I can hear a piano with the KN's R1 , R2 and Left voices muted and also if you mute the three upper voice sections on the Orla it still plays, it stops if you switch off the KN ! I even mutes all the accompaniment voices of the KN as well and it still plays. Obviously it stops if you switch off the organ's conductor buttons but then you have nothing !
How's that for a puzzler ? this must be some sort of feed getting back in some way, perhaps a incorrectly set midi, but if so which one I wonder ? any ideas pleas, it looks as though I may have come up an insurmountable problem. Ken

Posted on November 18, 2015 at 5:31 PM
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Re: unexpected exra sound.

Hi Ken,

There are quite a few possibilities here.

Maybe the Orla is sending an 'OMNI' signal from all or some of its parts. This would mean that it is sending on all channels. This sounds a bit doubtful, otherwise you would (I think) be hearing multiple pianos playing the same notes.

I think that the Orla is sending on another channel as well as the one you're intending. That is being picked up by one of the KN7000's other Parts. You can easily check this by going into the mixer on the KN7000, whilst playing notes on the Orla. Change the Sound on each KN7000 Part to something else, one by one. When you hear the duplicated notes change to a Saxophone (or whatever Sound you are swapping to in the KN7000 Parts) then you have found the channel the Orla is sending on. Then, in the KN7000 MIDI settings you will be able to disable it from receiving on that channel. Though it would be better to disable the Orla from sending if you can.

I hope that makes some sense.

Regards,
Mike

Posted on November 18, 2015 at 8:48 PM

hathersage

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Re: unexpected exra sound.

Hi Mike yes it did make some sense and it did work but it did not work quite the way you suggested but without you suggestions I would still be fiddling around and getting nowhere. However I thought that for the benefit of any others who wanted to do this sort of set up with a keyboard and an organ I would detail how it worked out. you never know.

The first problem was that the KN and Oral midi lists do not correspond exactly but the channel numbers remain the same after a long time trying , in the end I simply put up the Technics midi channel list on screen and one by one switched off each channel until the sound stopped !
The Orla uses 7 channels for the various voices not just the normal 3 and they only list the 16 midi channels as the control, but the Technics has Right 1, Right 2, Left, then the 16 channels separately with control and accomp on the end of the list as well. There was no way I could disable the channel in the Orla , it's just part 5 in the Technics but on the Orla channel 5 is shown as 'Special'.

It's early days yet but in a quick test with the Technics providing the accompaniment and the Orla the voices and using using stored registrations from a floppy disk everything is working normally and the piano sound has disappeared, I have not done a full trial on all the Orla's flutes etc but I don't think the phantom piano should strike again thanks to you. Ken

Posted on November 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM

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Re: unexpected exra sound.

Hi Ken,

That's great I'm glad you sorted it. I feel like Dr Watson now grin

Remember to save your settings in MIDI Presets and then save the MIDI Presets to disk or SD Card for easy recall later.

In KN7000 you can set any Part to any midi channel, so you shouldn't be restricted to R1, R2 etc. This means that you could, for example, send Channel 1 from the Orla to Part 6 (or whatever on the KN7000). How is this useful? Well, because you can, for example, send Channel 1 from the Orla to play, say, a sax on Part 6 on KN7000 but have Right 1 and Right 2 set to other instruments (if you can reach the KN7000 to play them!). And all of those settings should save into a Panel Memory. Gives you multiple possibilities.

But maybe that is overcomplicating matters. Just playing can be fun too eh ;)

Cheers,
Mike

Posted on November 19, 2015 at 8:48 PM

hathersage

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Re: unexpected exra sound.

The problem was that somehow the extra sound was coming from the KN as far as I could tell, by experimentally switching off different parts , see page 190 of the 7000 manual, I stopped the sound by switching off part number 4, however as the organ uses several channels depending on the voice chosen in the organ it may be transmitted on a different channel. eventually I switched off all parts up to number to resolve it..

It must be remembered that this is only for a situation where only the accompaniment part of the keyboard is being used and not the keyboard voices (muted) the upper and lower manuals of the organ supplying the voices..

Posted on January 14, 2016 at 9:53 AM