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Using a MAC

Fred

Fred
Canada

Total Posts: 5
Joined: October 9, 2014

Hi everybody
I have a new MAC running OSX 10.9.5 (Mavericks) and would like to rearrange the order of styles on the computer (preferably right on the SD card) instead of loading and saving them on the KN7000 which is very time consuming.
If I click on the icon of the SD card through folders -->PRIVATE-->Technics-->KN7000-->TFLD001 TFLD002 and so on....
Inside those there are different files in UNIX format which can't be opened nor can't be listened to (I am not a computer techie).
So all I would like to do is to rearrange the order of those many TFLD folders or add a single group of those "style" files into an existing TFLD folder.
Each style consists of 4 items with the extensions CMP - EFC - LSW - MSP - TM. When I move them around or into a different folder, the Keyboard doesn't recognize them anymore.
Can anyone help me with this?

Cheers
Fred

Posted on October 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM
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admin

admin
United Kingdom

Total Posts: 1102
Joined: February 2, 2014

Re: Using a MAC

Hi Fred and welcome,

We have experience of using a Mac with KN7000 because my son has a Mac. It works really well for MIDI and for audio recording but unfortunately there aren't any programs available for file organisation or backup on the Mac.

I won't go into full details here at the moment but you can let me know if you want more detail about anything.

KN7000 saves sets of Songs in a folder. Each song can have a number of files. These are the folders and files you're seeing. The number of files depends on what information you've saved on the SD Card from the keyboard. Your Mac is recognising them as UNIX files but they aren't, they are specific to the keyboard.

Here's an explanation of what the files contain:

http://technicskn7000.com/technics-instruments/technics-file-types/

Before going further I should add that if you're going to edit files directly on an SD Card please ensure that you have a backup. It is possible to back up your SD Card on a Mac just by copying all the files but you can't backup Audio files. I'm assuming that there are no Audio files on your card because there's no program available for Mac that will allow you to put KN7000-compatible audio files on it.

The folder and file names that you see are understood by the KN7000 because it reads the KN7000mn.inf file that you can see in your first attachment. The corresponding bak file is a backup, in case the inf becomes corrupted.

If you open the inf file in a text editor you'll see references that you will recognise, they relate to the file and folder names and the names of the Songs (that you'll recognise from what you have named them on the KN7000).

Editing this file isn't really humanly possible. Programs such as KN-SDExplorer understand the format of the file and how it relates to the locations and names of the files, so that when you drag and drop Songs (when running KN-SDExplorer, for example, on Windows), the program knows which Technics files and where to move them (or copy them etc).

Here's a link to our KN-SDExplorer website.

It is possible to do what you want to do on a Mac, by moving and renaming files, if you understand the necessary rules. However, I would urge you not to do it unless there is no other option and you feel very confident in what you're doing. I 'know what I'm doing' but I wouldn't attempt it and I know people who have tried to edit the filenames manually and deeply regretted it later because of all the additional work it can take to get your files back correctly if it goes wrong. I receive a couple of emails per month from people who have tried to edit these files and can't get their Songs back.

In order to do what you want you would have to delete or rename the inf file. The KN7000 would then 'see' the files you have moved, renamed etc. And you would have to follow the rules regarding naming the files, not duplicating numbers and so on. Again, I know I'm not explaining it all here due to time-constraints but we can discuss in more detail if you like.

There is also information about all of this available in Alec Pagida's excellent book 'Getting The Most From Your Kn7000' which is available on CD from Strawberry Music and there's information on Willum's Pages in the Tech Tips section (both sites are on our Links page if you don't know them).

BUT. If you delete the inf file, the KN7000 will now only see the 'strange' filenames, if you have named them correctly. So after manipulating the files (moving, renaming etc), you would in all probability end up wanting to open and re-save them on the KN7000 in order to rebuild the inf file and see more meaningful names on the KN7000.

I know this information will be disappointing but hopefully it explains how technically challenging all of this can be. It will be quicker and more reliable to use your KN7000 to make folders on your SD card, open the Songs you like and save them into those folders.

For this reason, many of us have a windows pc or laptop dedicated to working with our KN7000s, for these sorts of operations (which take just minutes with KN-SDExplorer).

I totally agree that all of this could be much simpler and we all wish it would be!

I hope that helps to explain, let us know if you need more info.

Best wishes,
Mike

Posted on October 10, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Fred

Fred
Canada

Total Posts: 5
Joined: October 9, 2014

Re: Using a MAC

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for your detailed and quick reply.
It was exactly what I needed to know. I will take the "dedicated PC Laptop" route and have KN-SDExplorer installed.

All the best
Fred

Posted on October 12, 2014 at 3:21 AM

admin

admin
United Kingdom

Total Posts: 1102
Joined: February 2, 2014

Re: Using a MAC

I was answering a few email queries on this topic earlier today and it suddenly occurred tome that laptops these days cost less than SD Cards did when the KN7000 was released!

Our recommended SD Cards in the Amazon Shop (Click Here) are only a few dollars but they cost hundreds of dollars when they were first manufactured!

Posted on November 22, 2014 at 8:55 PM